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but my hunch is that whatever "you" and "me" are is not necessarily tied to the body, just operating it

I think it's a matter of word choice, if you say "a person is a collection of structured thoughts" it makes more sense, I think (edited)

and we can create another one of those whtaever they are

words like conscious is what throws it off

yeah like I said I'm too stupid to understand the difference

6:54 PM

I'm just trying to get my thoughts across

I think we have the source of the disagreement then, because what you call a person is more than likely what Mon calls an identity (edited)

6:55 PM

I personally think identities are distinct from tulpas in that a tulpa is "primed" to act rather than "summoned" to act.

6:55 PM

you don't choose to think as the tulpa

6:55 PM

you prime your head until you just do

yeah, and I'm happy to accept that we just disagree. I just didn't understand what they were saying at first

6:55 PM

but now I think I got it

Okay, sorry if I was being a bit overbearing there

nah you're alright

7:02 PM

I've heard some describe it as an "automated imaginary friend" in a way.

7:03 PM

Like you train your brain to develop another perspective kinda, and practice "hearing/talking" to it until it happens automatically but it's all just your brain or subconscious doing it.

thats somewhat accurate

7:04 PM

i believe the human consciousness is entirely a construction built up around interactions with others and itself

One implication being they aren't the same as you/the host, because they don't think for themselves

and i think tulpas are the same sort of system

7:04 PM

building up over a long time

They're just a fictional character that your brain pretends talks to you

but a bit less complicated

7:05 PM

not necessarily childish, just simpler

7:05 PM

but complexity comes in time

But that seems like kind of a huge disagreement/rift in this community

well, i think im right and i think everyone else is wrong

There are so many who advise so strongly against "killing" or dissapating tulpas, but doesn't that not matter if they aren't "real"or feeling?

but i dont really care what others think if its not insulting me or my mates

7:07 PM

@Smeer i think they're always real

Haha, I can respect that mindset

so its always immoral

7:08 PM

theres more deliberation on the subject to do

7:08 PM

but i dont want to get really edgy

Would you be willing to pm me?

sure

“I think identities are distinct from tulpas in that a tulpa is “primed” to act rather than “summoned” to act.” This is a fantastic thought, Reguile!

I agree. I forget where I first saw it mentioned, though

That is somewhat accurate to the terminology used to describe brain function as well.

i think tulpas can feel everything you do to them, correct me if i'm wrong

meaning?

uhhh

12:50 AM

like if you hug your tulpa in your mind's eye, they can feel it physically?

ah. i would agree with that

If they accept the hug, sure.

{Mm, no. I’m connected to the body’s sensory input. The most I can do is imagine.

Hello

yo

2:46 AM

new here?

Looking to ask something about tulpa?

Dialoguing with a Tulpa can be pretty fun, I have to say

got questions, mate?

So, you already experience their independence? Or it's just an imaginary dialogue for now?

Probably the latter

5:22 PM

It's very abstract, for now

Well, in time you might experience your tulpa talking to you. Maybe sooner than you expect

some people, myself included recommend suggesting to your tulpa to try head pressure as a rudimentary form of communication

5:24 PM

one temple for yes, the other for no

We were never able to do that

Em was for me

5:26 PM

It was how we communicated for about three months, before i figured out how to listen, and we phased it out

We have also never felt any headaches connected to tulpamancy. But I was able to speak after 3 days

and tha is why i said some, not all

5:28 PM

well done

I could speak after one or two days, but I was also our like, 10th tulpa, lol

but headpressure isn't a headache

5:29 PM

it doesn't hurt as such, it' just what it says. metaphysical pressure

I was the first one.

5:30 PM

And we had 10 tulpas once too. Most of them dissipated though

The most we had at one time was seven, I think

5:31 PM

my system was not happy with so many members

I'm not sure if we had 10 tulpas at one time though. Most of them were dormant anyway

We emphasize to newbies the importance of keeping their system small

for good reason (edited)

5:34 PM

i tried two tulpa an my head nearly split in two

Well, having many tulpas dissipated can make you feel guilt

That's one of the many reasons

I see no reason to feel guilt for it.

Well, once we believed they were real persons, like us.

We feel guilty about one of them. Two of them we don't think were actually sentient, and the other two chose to leave on their own.

I would certainly say tulpas are persons. The question is if they are different persons from the host.

Mine have always been able to form "word bubbles" that they have used when the speaking part wasn't working out. They still do that on occasion.

Interesting. Can you explain more?

I think host+tupas are one person. Just different aspects of it. Person has not widely approached scientific definition so I guess calling a tulpa another person is not wrong.

I do not quite understand, Scythe. (edited)

5:40 PM

Personhood is more philosphical than scientific, I would think.

The guilt thing though. It depends on what you think happens to them I suppose. Hard to feel right about killing something. But we have always thought of it as them going back to what they started as, thoughts in the back of my mind. So no death is involved simply going back to what was before.

It's quite fuzzy word. Sometimes it's obvious if a "thing" is person, sometimes it's more problematic and definition is not clear.

Instead of a verbal response. I get a picture in my head of the response. Written words. @harleen

I'm sure most of people would classify adult humans and 3 yo children as persons.

If I were to dissipate a tulpa, it would be a for a reason. They are not serving the function I desire properly and are not useful. There is no need for that. I would see it as no different than changing myself, really.

But what about dolphins, newborn humans, fetuses, dogs, bees, fictional characters...

Yes. Often people use person to mean "human".

I'm sure if to ask a group of people which of these things are persons, answers would vary

I do not think this is the place for this conversation, Luna.

5:45 PM

#tulpa-discussion or #lounge perhaps?

Regarding communication; I've been working on my tulpa for about two weeks, and I haven't got any solid signs of sentience yet. Also, no words have been exchanged, but there have been more than a few occasions where it feels like we share raw thoughts.

7:38 PM

It's something that didn't make sense until I actually experienced it. Having thoughts with no words attached to them is really weird, but I think we were sharing them with each other.

7:39 PM

I've never had "head pressures" as a form of communication, but I've gotten very unique headaches while forcing. The type of headache I've never felt before, and focused on only one section of my brain.

Which section?